I like the changes, but the jump fatigue timer sounds ludicrously long lasted.

It seems some sort of hard cap should be implemented to how long it can take to decay, or some other way to prevent people from getting jump delay timers that last for days and can't be gotten rid of by any means other than not using that character for the next month.

well no, they're not trolling, they do like the change

they just like it for the sole reason they think it hurts us and they want that not that they understand anything about it

Now throw some Hyperspatial Accelerators in the lows and bring a couple carriers with you to refit to tank on the fly. Really, this isn't going to work out how CCP thinks it is.

Will be fun to change corp.
Moving from 1 side of eve to another.
When will you be here? Oh within the next month or so. all depending on fatigue....

If caps not are going trou JB why add fatigue to that as well?

I'd go so far as to say that 'punishing' people is never the answer.

Trying to throw road blocks up in front of gamers just encourages them to find ways to break through (or over, or under, or around) those road blocks. Time and time again CCP has tried this and time and time again it failed. What works is TOOLS, more tools for people to figure out new and novel ways to accomplish desired goals.

I'm sure some of us will continue to repeat our warnings to CCP: What they are doing right now will backfire and make the groups you want to knock down even stronger than before (hashtag ObiWanGotStruckDown).

Problem here is that there are things that null cannot get locally and stuff that high sec cannot get locally. Trade still needs to happen, neither can be totally self sufficient.

This is an extremely arrogant comment.

Am I reading it correctly in that I could jump a carrier 5ly, wait 6 minutes or so, and then be completely reset? Then jump again, wait another 6 minutes or so and be reset again. Rinse and repeat?

the outer reaches of null will be all but abandoned.

Which isnt exactly fixing null.

Feel free to ask red frog what they think of this change.

Are you seriously blaming the the players for playing the game as it is designed?

Just because you don't understand why the design created the Eve of today, doesn't mean that it's not the root cause. Everything that exists today in nullsec is the inevitable result of how nullsec works and how people work.

And now you're pouring cement into the mix.

The problem is that Greyscale literally does not understand his own changes.

These services charge people because they go to the effort of moving your stuff for you, no?
If the effort involved increases.... they could always... you know... charge more for their service.

The amount of effort involved to move stuff around isn't dependent on what type of player is moving the stuff lol.
It's just as much work for the individual, even more so. And so the value of moving someone's stuff a long distance increases.
That part of the problem is a non-issue.

If the problem lies with them being cut off from npc pirate space, then it also continue there. The players wanting to move stuff into that space can't move it there with a jump drive either. And again, PushX and Frogs can charge more for moving to that location, or refuse to do the job entirely, if they so choose.

Nerfing capitals into the ground is one thing (and that's what you're doing). I'm fine with that. But this is draconian.

More importantly, you're also obliterating so much more that relies on jump bridges, jump engines, and high-volume movement.

Your statement is true only if demand is inelastic, but it's not. No one is forcing people to play Eve. No one is forcing players to use certain ships or fly in certain areas. When you make logistics and resupplying too difficult, you don't see increased costs, you see demand go away as people screw off and do something else.

This is an easy solution that doesn't actually solve anything. Fix the damn sov code, don't nerf things that have second-, third- and fourth-order consequences that will screw up the game.

After two years of players saying, "this is going to hell, here's how" and CCP doing nothing, they no longer have the goodwill and time to do something like this. Exempt jump freighters and find a way to move subcaps more easily (subcap blobs aren't as big of an issue, and can be countered, unlike super blobs), or this move is a catastrophe.

Have you ever done a logistics run? Back and forth in a jump freighter can be 12 jumps. That's no longer possible. I don't care a bit about combat capitals jumping - I actually like that. It's the non-combat capital jumps that cause this thing to be ill-thought out and the consequence of a drunken brainstorming session, not a measured mechanic change.

Let me ask you something. If you drive 20 miles a day to work, and suddenly you can only drive to work 1 day a week, and have to ride a scooter the rest of the days (Because of your jump fatigue), are you going to work 20 miles away? No, you're going to get a new job right next door.

Fun fact: we have more than enough capital pilots to do that with these changes - and now that we'll be able to take gates with those capitals, we can move them around w/out your cyno-watchers' knowledge.

The word you're looking for is "karma". We demand - at the bare minimum - that people insulting and opposing us have a basic vocabulary of a third-grader.

What is the reason of nerfing JF?

Has anyone been afraid of JF drops?

Was it to be like isolation?

Apparently this needs to be re-iterated.

I really dislike this. No disrespect intended, but it feels like a hastily cobbled together workaround to solve an inherent weakness of your medical clone plan. It also doesn't seem to have any basis in the lore of the game (but truth be told, the current medical clone system is disconnected with the lore as well).

I really think this is the approach you should consider:

• Eliminate medical clones and instead allow pilots to designate one of their JCs as the "active" clone in case of podding.
• Each player would thus start with a jump clone installed in his/her home system, designated as the active clone.
• Any jump clone can be designated the "active" one, but it is on the same timer as your clone jump timer (or a different timer with the same duration) so you can't effectively have unlimited clone jumps.
• Allow clones to be moved like any other good in New Eden, either by you or by someone else. Clones could be contracted just like ships or other goods.
• When a clone is dropped in your hangar in any station, it will be installed at that station (assuming that there is not a clone installed there already).
• If there is a clone there already, the clone will sit in your hangar until you move it or until the current clone is activated.
• If a clone gets destroyed, too bad; make a new one.
• Because it is too risky, you cannot move your only remaining clone. At least one must be installed in a station at all times.
• When you need to upgrade your clone, you must upgrade all clones (a nice little ISK sink!).

These changes would prevent the OP ability to ping pong around the galaxy at very little cost while not completely destroying a game mechanic that has very real usefulness. In addition, it makes sense in the context of the lore of New Eden unlike the current (and proposed) medical clone system. Finally, it would add some interesting content to the game (imagine a corporation shipping hundreds of clones to a new system or the newbie getting his first taste of logistics in shipping his own clone out to 0.0).

^^^ Winner....

The force projection effects of this change are good. The logistical effects, are not.

So the idea is, that instead of hotdropping supers.... Supers are going to escort freighters? That's your &*#$(%ing fix?

So many people are whining about how their logistics will be broken and they will spend even more time doing "boring things" in EVE.

Well guess what, you need to get of your comfy zone!!! You need to think more about what exactly is changing, need for logistics will go back, think LOCALLY! Adopt! Produce locally! Play Eve as it suppose to be played, have fun instead of doing "boring" logistics, no one is forcing you to do logistics.

Thats what this changes are all about, your alliance should be smaller, your logistics will be less!

No he means all the people sitting in station, waiting an hour for fatigue to decay, You know REALLY playing the game.

"Stop playing the game the way you want. Start playing it how I say."

The changes are fine in principal the numbers are just to high.

Reduce the range of jump drives to the current Blops/Titan range, increase the reduction in fatigue so it takes 20 minutes to cool down to 0 after one jump not an hour, put a hard cap on the fatigue of somewhere between 24h and a week and give the same reduction bonus as jfs to blops and all subcaps going through bridges/jump bridges.

Seem reasonable enough to everyone?

Because no one wants interbus to ship everything everywhere for no cost. That would be even dumber.

The problem with your attitude is that this is a GAME. WAITING to have fun is not part of the equation, and getting killed because you are impatient is stupid. This means the only way to play at your best is to sit around and do nothing (at least on that toon).

It seems like you guys really have a big pair of blinders on and simply ignoring how people relocate to different regions in EVE.

that is my transport need, regardless of the arguments you want to make about it. And I'm just a small corp.

EDIT: we already mine like crazy.

Jump freighters didn't kill the game, they saved it. It's a lot more fun to play when you can afford tech 2.

Also, no one gives a crap about your opinion.

Mouth so full of lies!

READ: The Mittani: CSM Criticizes CCP

If your about interaction and game play TIMERS (one month!) that prevent you from PLAYING (means no interaction) is an ANTI-PLAY feature

CCP must consider ship spinning a great game mechanic so they figured CAP pilots would really love more of it

This is supposed to be SANDBOX where the PLAYERS decide how to play.

There is a game mechanic in EVE called CAPS that have JUMP capability with a crap load of skill training time to master. Makes Logistics, Relocating, Industry and Large Fleet fights possible.

GAME PLAY is about GAME PLAY not SHIP SPINNING and MONTH LONG TIMERS

make features that spawn Game Play not TIMERS

WAIT TO PLAY = NO PLAY

Make all of 0.0 space usable. There's so many systems in each region that are simply ignored and unused because their worthless.

DO something that makes EVE PILOTS MOVE and make EVE Pilots stop spinning their ships.

According to the CSM, every 0.0 CSM member is opposed to this change, and none of them were informed or even asked about the nerf to Jump Freighters.

http://themittani.com/features/csm-criticizes-ccp-behavior-alleged-feedback

What say you, CCP?

but dicking around with the purpose of CSM to create a 'cover' for a planned feature change is a giant middle finger to the entire community AND the very reasons that CSM was created in the first place.

Explain to me why any logistics pilot should play EVE after this patch.

It's more pointing out another flaw in this half assed idea of "living" in a set area and off the resources of that area.

If I'm guna live in a set area I don't want to depend on JF's I'm happy to live off the local resources my problem is that POS's need more attention than jump mechanics as that is where your local reactions are going to happen.

We are either independent of JF's and rely on our local resources or we are not but short sighted "fixes" are the problem.

How's that strawman manufacturing job going?

It's dumber because it nothing should be free and immediate. There's no risk of loss that way.

The changes that are going through go too far the other direction on non-strategic assets. A part of the overall issue is dog pilling caps from every corner of the galaxy. Screwing jump freighters does nothing to deal with that issue.

And what will your position on the matter be if indeed there is a mass exodus and your subscription(s) and the remaining subscriptions are insufficient to support the continuation of EVE Online?

Might be alot different, but its a dream comming true for many space gamer, dont underestimate that :)

http://imgur.com/VL4gPcL

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@ CCP Greyscale


I have another arguement of why 5 ly max is bad especially for dreads. When people move out to a new area or want to take space, the jump range will favor the defender.

Sure you can slow boat it by using gates but....... You will see the dread fleet incoming hours before hand and can prep a defense long before. And those deep 0.0 places that will become incredibly hard to reach will be so entrenched you will not be able to remove them ever.


So please again consider scaling jump ranges based on the size of the ship. Keep super caps at 5 ly and the smaller caps have the longer range it doesnt need to be much hell at this point 8 LY would be enough.

Cheers, Xeno

Hmmm... maybe, potentially. But then I also might end up with Ebola too? No telling what the future holds...

But trolling, me.. nah - I've posted conscientious material mainly, with some fun posts; but my thought process simply has evolved into... unsub is the only thing CCP pays attention to - so that will ultimately be my 'focus group' contribution along with others that are/will do the same.

Anyway please feel free to continue trolling for tears, as it's always entertaining when folks like yourself can actually get a rage out of someone.

Best case is a 50% drop in supply and you think that wont change prices?

That changes the situation with t2 ships how?

So nerf high sec?

Moons supply less isk than an ice miner per month.

Renters make us a lot of isk but we make massive amounts in high sec.

This is fairly normal when you reach a certain state in EVE. If CCP promote a style of game play which consumes a vast amount of time to do anything yet you're not actually required to do very much during that time, it's hardly a surprise.

Some of these changes are good, some are completely daft and some further promote this sort of timer based game play which means players go AFK while they wait for an alarm clock. It's not an elegant solution.

Go look at the income you get from a tower before saying these things, it will stop you from looking stupid.

The jump freighter nerfs hurt _everyone_ who is trying to get by in nullsec, not just the established powers, and it's the smaller groups who suffer the most.

Because there is only one guy who mines in EVE.

How could you possibly know?

What he said

nah, we simply disemboweled your wrecking ball and sent you running back home with your tails between your legs

I do very much hope so... I think we're long over due for a proper apology from CCP.

I mean how many unsubb spikes and Burn Jita's do you need as a company to GET THE ******* MESSAGE!

I say its the journey not the destination

Look, null right now has 2 big blocks for the most part. This idea of one entity being attacked on multiple fronts is unlikley. And if a single block tries it, that is going to most likley mean these power projection problems hurt them even more. This change is probably a buff to defenders.

Get it?

As for breaking things up in Null, this is not going to do it.

Actually, I have lived in Stain, and no yes we did interact with the sov holders down there back then....usually to **** on them whenever we could.

Now, anyone wantint to live in Stain will be de facto vassals of the local Sov holders. Personally I see that as a bit of a loss.

I think you are a bit out of touch with the current state of null politics. While various null entities have various treaties/agreements they are not all blue to each other.

While the end result seems to be promising in terms of shaking things up, I feel as if the timers and ranges need to be addressed. I couldn't possibly pretend to figure the proper math, but my general ideas would be that jumping within a constellation is penalty free, changing constellations within a region can incur some penalty, but nothing that would impact local travel significantly, while changing regions would incur a great penalty, thus deterring rapid movement across the galaxy, but letting local inhabitants do the logistics needed within the region without any great worry of burn out or timers.

This would also even the playing field with capitals when it comes to fighting/invasions in single region combat. As once you move capitals to the target region, with plenty of delays to get there, both the home and defenders would have the same range and freedom of movement.

If this has been suggested already, I apologize, nobody can be expected to keep up with this thread.

Asserting that something has to happen is far from a reaonable or logical argument...but then again this is the Eve O forums where things like, "Your tears are delicious" counts as a post of the highest calibre. v0v

Never said it was a simple math equation. If anything it is likely a game theory question. Nor am I looking for proof. I'm looking for something other than a simple assertion. Saying it will break up the big blocks is about as convincing as simply asserting it will kill Eve.

Might one of the big blocks collapse? Sure, but that could happen even without these changes.

Will these changes pose new problems to the existing blocks? Of course, but these same blocks have shown themselves to rather adept and adapting. Given that these changes will effect both the defender and the attacker it isn't clear it will do much of anything.

Now, after these changes will each side be watching other looking for an opportunity? Yes. Will these changes mean that they will be looking for different opportunities? Again yes. However, I submit that this was true last month...that is nothing fundamental has changed. That is the current state of a cold war will continue until there is a percipitating event...just like it has been.

Now, will there be more roaming due to this change? I sure hope so. That would be a welcomed change. But roaming probably wont lead to one of the blocks attacking the other. In fact, that kind of additional content might help move the date of the next Great War a bit further back since both sides will be having fun roaming, starting the Great War to keep one block's players engage may be less of a ThingGäó.

Oh hai random 3rd party poster!

Ummm well cool, that sounds great, hope it works out for you; k? Bye.

I have pulled off more unlikely things in the past

It did kinda pay off so I guess I can call this a victory in my obsession (stubbornness) in getting oversized ships to do strange and seemingly impossible things.

And that's their big mistake. We don't pay subscription fees to play EVE - we pay those so we DON'T have to play EVE, but still keep the option viable should something interesting happen.

With these changes making EVE more tedious, many will not even do that anymore.

Its often I agree with Lucas but he has it bang on.

That is thing, people who traditionally oppose each are agreeing that this will only make things worse.

One good thing.

Apparently, fully half of the 0.0 residents have either stopped, or are about to stop, their subscriptions.

That opens up a lot of opportunities for those that want a piece of the null pie but didn't previously have the manpower to do it. So CCP in one move get rid of the entitled dead wood and open up null to people that will actually use it.

Win/win

Mr Epeen

Indeed, I won't be quitting but not having to "think" about subbing 7 capital and 15 cyno alts will be nice.
More time for pvp, no need to grind isk.

I play eve to relax and have some mindless fun with the odd thought about logistics. Take the mindless fun away you take away my reason to play.

What's truly funny about this is that even the unintended side effects are obvious and will be bad. You think Minnie/Amarr FW space is a hotdrop ghetto *now*? Look at a map and think about what PL and SC will do for fun when *forced* to only drop in a 5LY radius.

Faction war already sucked, but this is going to make the FW area hotdrop frequency a lot higher as blops and other ships are moved to where they are still fun and effective.

Seriously - did anyone put five minutes of thought into this? Anyone actually playing the game, I mean?

Meanwhile, those Black Frog prices are gonna get hilarious - assuming they don't just close doors for good.

I'm not really sure if you grasp the changes yourself.

But I do agree, 6 months from now people crying for nerf will be different than this round.

You think PL's focus is going to be living in amamake? PRO

You don't know a thing about FW.

As PL already knows, most of FW exists in a meta detached from non-FW. There are encounters on the gates, but non-fw entities do not run down timers, so usually anything that was going to happen in a site between intra-FW groups does, but the best an outside entity can hope for is to 3rd party it. Otherwise they just avoid the fight entirely.

When things get heated in fw space, PL and anyone else is always welcome to the yard. It's always a blast. More pew for the pew gods.

I've spent years on and off in that exact space and you have no clue what you're talking about.

Black Frog have already stated they might they might stop because how much this effects their service.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/stats

So numbers seem to give your claim the lie. All the top activity is going on in null - and HERO is generating tons of content in sov null. All this and more with everyone power projecting at once into our space. Oh noes! People can play with us and not just be isolated into their part of the map!!!!!!!



I still fail to see how making everyone much further apart and adding long timers to normal game play will in any way make eve more fun and less stale.

And if they were going back in time and not implementing force projection, you might have a point. They are reducing it, not removing it, and they are doing so at a time when the vast majority of null is held by 2 groups who are heavily fortified. It won't just be the same as old EVE.

Steve Jobs once said "It's not the customer's job to know what they want". It's applicable here. Eve is a sandbox folks. The game play is emergent. When CCP makes a change like this, they can't predict with great accuracy what will happen. They might have a theory about what players will do, but they have no facts. No matter how smart you think you are, you have no facts either. Your theory may differ from theirs.

One thing is certain in a game like this. Stasis is bad. The current mechanics + player culture = two coalitions controlling a map that, for most 0.0 dwellers, is a sea of blue as far as the eye can see. In other words, the current mechanics have played themselves out, and this is the result. So, they theory-crafted some changes that they believe will shake things up. Maybe they will, and maybe they won't. It'll have to play out, and what happens will be the results of thousands of individual decisions that players make about how to adapt.

Nobody knows for sure what will happen. That's a hell of a lot better, when you're playing a game, than knowing for sure what will happen. Interesting times ahead.

Yss, it will not change the power that current entities have, it will not give smaller entities a chance to take Sov and it will only hurt smaller groups

Remind me again how Incarna worked out for subscriptions

What they weren't taking into consideration is that the average 0.0 dweller doesn't really want to fight. They gave people a reason to fight for better space. They can't actually make you do it. They tried to introduce a conflict driver into the game, and failed. At least they tried. Did you have a better idea?

It's the same with this change. It opens up OPPORTUNITIES for folks who are interested in taking some risks and seizing them. It's not going to force anyone to actually do it. If people are happy in their sea of blue grinding away, nothing will change.

I wonder about just how much of this change revolves around "giving them what they have asked for" petulance from CCP, and how much is about trying to combat falling subscription numbers by forcing even more alts on people.

The concept of reducing the ludicrous ability to cross eve in 10minutes flat, I applaud.

The approach, however is so overdone it's like cooking a steak with a flamethrower and napalm, until it's carbonized, when the customer asked for medium rare, but could probably live with medium.

CCP please recognise that this level of negative feedback probably has some rational grounding. Go and rethink, then come back with your homework redone; please don't force us to have 10 accounts just to move the stuff we need from Jita to our bases in null.

That means 0.0 players *love* fighting.

All the "nullbears" and other butthurt that goes on is coming from a bunch of lowsec pirates who are scared of bubbles,

But you don't see that and the reason is obvious - the lowbears are scared to enter null, that's why they live in low sec.

It is amusing watching pdople talk of stagnation. This is going to force more stagnation on the game. Anyone remember a little thing called world war one. Trench warfare ring a bell? This will force everyone to dig in where they are and you will have large swaths of no mans land between heavily defended areas. This was only broken by mobiliy. Mobility is now being taken away. They say those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. We are going to have front row seats.......

Best change ever, just do it!
I cant wait to pick up a freighter full and jump gates in 0.0 with armed escort... I can see some crazy logistics being doing, like 10-20 freighters jumping gate to gate with armed squads protecting them, and fights happening around those supplies.

*cough* bullshit *cough*
Lowsec players tell themselves they have skill when they are patting themselves on the back for ganking noobs on their first trip into lowsec. Most lowsec fights start off with a guy screaming "GOT TACKLE" and end with his 20 mates jumping in and annihilating someone. At least in null you know beforehand that there's a blob of us.

Realistically there's no more or less skill in any area of space, just many people who are so arrogant they think they are better than everyone else.

These tears are just too delicious.

We should bottle this.

Even better, we can make a new Quafe. Like Crystal Pepsi.

Honestly, I dont; see that many tears. I see people stating what they think is good and abd about it, the odd rage filled post, then forums alts like yourself spewing out mountains and mountains of uneducated and clearly flawed opinions, but no tears. I guess this is just this thing again where kids like to pretend everything tears so it makes them feel better about themselves.

There there kiddo.

1st Excuse me if I repeat something already covered in the last 337 pages. I don't have them all memorized.

CCP is over reacting. I agree null is Stagnant. I agree it needs shaken up. My concern as in industrialist (in Null) is the 5 ly maximum jump range. That is horrible. Some gates are so far apart they exceed 5ly. And sorry, I am not taking a jf thru a gate.

And I am not taking a Jf to a non-station system on a regular basis. For those of us on the edge...or near it..I am 38 ly from high. I go at least once a week. I can't see this working.. Null is already a barren wasteland when it comes to buying local..this will be worse.

There are ways to make this limit doable.but need more NPC stations..ones owned by NPC's that can't change hands. Industrialist could work out of there.

I have no doom and gloom predictions. but I think ccp is going over board.

No one in their right mind is going to start taking their caps thru gates on a regular basis. It would not be hard to station Drd's in Pos on a grid system to cover ones empire. There are already many moon pos's out there anyways. Yes it would be nice to use a gate with a cap....

It will be interesting how things turn out.

From a mostly un-invested perspective (I do wormhole space stuff) these changes look like largely souring the customer relationship at very much the wrong time given the competition from up and coming games at the moment -

You also don't beat your cash cows up. It's undeniable cap pilots are dedicated long term players. Adding long station spinning inducing timers to the course of normal game play seems like a really boring way to punish those players for enjoying the game for so long.

Power projection could be nerfed without timers placed on every action. For instance, put a maximum jump distance of 25LY / 24 hours with no timers between jumps. Then people can jump across a region but not across new eden rapidly to join a space fight. They might even get to participate in more than one space fight.

The proposed mechanics will force players to spend long periods of time station spinning to join any fight in a capital ship. That's just not fun for those players.

You might just say oh noes a bunch of cap pilot tears screw them - but let's be honest - we're all human beings who are playing a game together and having fun - it *should* be important to you that your cap bros are having fun as well because they share a common interest with you that frankly not many people on this earth share with us.

Knee jerk reactions from those who follow, not lead.

Leaders have already come with ways to adapt. Followers are starting to hear about them, but not all.

Besides, everyone wants to have a chance at being the one that can say, I told you so...

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ROAMBEARS..



It is the total lack of concern for the economics that disturbs me the most.

The REAL nightmare future for Eve is one where the vital capitalism of the game is replaced by a

That they want to use fatigue to gimp force projection is fine.

But they are also doing it to people who are going to use jump drives who have absolutely no intention of engaging in combat what so ever.

I think it is different if you are talking about a gang of supers who are very much intent on engaging in combat, vs. a guy who is doing everything he can to avoid it.

In other words, fatigue for combat ships...okay. Fatigue, even with the JF bonus, not so fine. Logistics is not exactly fun. How do we know this:

1. Very few people do it.
2. They do it in ways to get it done as efficiently as possible.
3. They are often asked to do it.

That doesn't mean some don't like it--you find weird people everywhere that like all kinds of crazy things. And some might do it as a way of generating isk (e.g. the various Frog businesses).

Nerf power projection...fine. Nerfing logistics to this extent...not so fine. In fact, rather dubious.

I would encourage folks who are interested in these changes to listen to Manny and Jeffraider (along with some shmoe called Oh Takashawa) from PL do an hour and a half long Q&A over at EVE-Uni. Well worth the listen.

http://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?f=72&p=734425#p734425

They mention freighter convoys fondly, talk about the importance of topography under the new jump paradigm, and speculate on where EVE might go after the patch. Spoiler - none of them think this will break up sov null, and even they admit that the fact that they can hold dronelands unchallenged without even being there is broken.

The future will be interesting times, ladies and gents. Interesting times.

To be fair, the C5/C6 people don't have to do regular supply runs through space like ours that has thousands of subcaps and hundreds of bored supercap/titan pilots who see them the second the enter local.

Yes, good news for me.

This is just what i was waiting for, time to rest for me.
Someday when CCP open her eyes, theres no one left to pay their salaries.

Like we say around here "no clown, no circus", i-¦m not call clown to anyone, it-¦s only an expression in my country like many others wich are not offensive.

Time to dedicate myself to another game and like me theres a few undreds or thousands.

Farwell CCP

I've been playing with this for a couple days, and here's the adjustment I propose:

Fatigue = (Fatigue Before Jump + Distance of Jump)^(Destination Distance from Origin * A + B)

Distance from origin is just the straight-line distance in light years. Origin is set when you make a jump with 0 fatigue and can be reset when you are back to 0 fatigue (it could also be available to reset after a period of time of several hours regardless of fatigue, which is also interesting). A and B are just constants to tweak for balance. A sets how far from your origin you can go before fatigue really starts ramping up quickly; that distance is 1/A light years. B is just a tuning knob, especially handy for tweaking the effect on short range travel. Individual ships could get bonuses to one or the other, as well. All the other mechanics about fatigue work identically. A = 0.05 and B = .3 generate interesting results, for sure.

The effect of this is that short range travel, such as within your own region, isn't punished as though it's exactly like long distance travel. It's important to note that that isn't the same as "not punished at all" but rather that it imposes interesting choice on that movement. The industry player might ask himself whether he wants to take a gate to the expensive factory next door (three minute round trip, for example) or the bridge to the factory in the next constellation, which is cheaper but has a six minute round trip. The pilot PvPing and defending his home from roamers might decide whether taking that third bridge in two hours is worth the ten minute wait, worth not being able to get back around in that time. As proposed by the blog, neither player can make more than a few jumps before effectively losing the ability for the entire play session. Heck, even the force seeking to cross a long distance in EVE can decide whether they want to get there faster or avoid obstacles but impair their mobility upon arrival, or take it slow but have more full mobility. And in an invasion, both the invaders and defenders would have the benefit of their cyno movement being local and so somewhat less restricted, allowing for a nice balance between the current paradigm where the target region plus three regions surrounding it are the battlefield, and the paradigm of this blog. where lack of mobility restricts the battlefield to just one or two systems.

It also nicely addresses some complaints of the thread. Blackops battleships don't get rendered completely ineffectual, because most of their movement takes place within a limited distance from a staging location. Jump Freighters would get hit far less hard, because half of their movement would be back towards their origin.

The fatigue mechanic in general has plenty of promise and is an elegant solution to what most acknowledge as a problem in EVE, but crushing nullsec quality of life in the process isn't necessary - the method above addresses that.

What an amazingly well thought out and reasoned post in response to a long explanation of an alternative to the system proposed in the Dev blog.

I will admit though, that I am left somewhat confused as to what exactly you think is wrong with the proposal you are supposedly rebutting, or indeed what your preferred solution (other than Sh$t posting) might possibly be.

Some people actually think it might be nice to be able to move around their home region reasonably well, while allowing for the restriction of long-distance 'power projection', which is what I understood to be the entire point of this proposed change.

It seems that there are a large number of people in this thread who actually think that what should happen is that the lives of everyone in null should be made painful, yet I can't see how that particular course would benefit the game or CCP in the long term.

Hahaha.

Not a bad attempt.

Heh.

"Noble"?? You're looking for elite pvp on the other side of nullsec

The "...this will only make us more powerful..." "...but you should really change this lame idea..." thing has been entertaining to watch you must admit.